When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples,“Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
“Well,” they replied, “some say John the Baptist, some say Elijah, and others say Jeremiah or one of the other prophets.”
Then he asked them, “But who do you say I am?”
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:13-16)
Read: Genesis 50:1 – Exodus 2:10, Matthew 16:13-17:9, Psalm 21:1-13, Proverbs 5:1-6
Relate: Here’s some unorthodox views of Jesus that you might find a bit startling. Or… one of these might be what you believe and what I personally would call orthodox is a view you are uneasy with.
1) The teenage Jesus left his homeland in Galilee and traveled through southern Asia. There he learned some yogic traditions and returned to become a guru to the Jews. When He says things like, “I and the Father are one”, Jesus is confirming the truth that everyone, through disciplined spiritual practice, can actualize their own universal god-consciousness. The Christian Bible in no way contradicts this since it says absolutely nothing about Jesus after his boyhood visit in the Temple until he began his public ministry at the age of thirty.
2) The humanity of Jesus is what is important. Put aside those dogmas of Jesus being God and when you read the gospels you see a man of great presence, energy, and compassion with significant psychic abilities. He has a gift for conveying profound truths using simple images and stories like how he slept in the boat as the storm raged around him are proof that he was a man who had moved beyond the mundane cares of the world. The buddha said, “Even if robbers were to attack you and saw off your limbs one by one, should you give way to anger, you would not be following my advice.” Jesus demonstrated this truth perfectly as, even while he hung on the cross, he said, “Forgive them because they don’t know what they are doing.”
3) Jesus was a prophet. he was a messenger of God sent to the children of Israel to bring a new set of scriptures. To aid in his ministry to the Jews God granted him the ability to perform miracles beyond that of any other prophet from that time since. Jesus only appeared to have been crucified but in reality, because of his submission to God, was raised up to heaven. He never did claim to be the Son of God or to be God and such scriptures putting those words in his mouth are a corruption of what he truly said. One day Jesus will return to the earth to restore justice and to defeat the false messiah.
4) Jesus needs to be rescued from the Bible. The earliest and most accurate picture of Jesus has no need for all the mythological miracles added to turn Jesus into something far more than he really was. Even more important than this, however is that Jesus actually taught that the way to heaven was through a difficult path or working to live a good life rather than an easy path of simply believing in a salvation provided by his death. It is the original apostles, not Paul and the revisionists who twisted everything to conform to his doctrine.
React: Each of these four views comes from writings representing a very large segment of our population. They are a paraphrase of 1) Hindu, 2) Buddhist, and 3) Islam. The fourth is disseminated from a website “Atheists for Jesus” and to one degree or another is representative of many liberal Christian, secularist, or atheist views. It is so easy for us, when presented with an opinion outside our box, to figuratively tear our clothes, throw dust in the air and start yelling like a Pharisee, “You were steeped in sin from birth. How dare you lecture us!” But Jesus Himself asked His disciples what others, not His disciples, had to say about Him. It is good for us to understand and learn what we can from as many sources as we can what people believe on this most important questions.
Respond: As good as that is, the most important question we can ask ourselves is who we say Jesus is. So, who is He? Who do you say He is?
THE RIVER WALK 
Jesus is God reaching for me in my mess and pulling me out. A drink in a dry and thirsty life. A Glory greater than mine that I can cleave to. And yes a crutch. Love incarnate! An accurate representation of God to man. Jesus is the One who invites me to His table instead of me begging Him to come to mine. Jesus is perfect Theology. He is good and best sense of the word. He is I Am. Wonderful. Counselor, Almighty, Father. Jesus is the meaning to life and the One who set eternity in my heart. Jesus is approachable. I can boldly come to Him. He died at my hands so I could clearly see His hands.
Jesus is God in the flesh, King of Kings anyone who denies him wont be saved from death
Jesus is my Saviour and friend
He is everything to me – Friend, Mentor, Healer, Provider, Comforter…..The list is endless!
He is my everything! I’m nothing without Him! !!!!###
He was a favorite prophet his mother was vestal virgin, he will come back to the world one day for justice
HE wasn’t white!!!
We could sit around all day arguing our take on Him. Wouldn´t we be demonstrating what people we are imitating? Or we can reach out for the Word, drop to our knees and go searching for Him personally. Only at His feet and hard on His heels will we find any real knowing. More precious to us than a definition, is His worth, His presence and HIs affect upon us. Blessed seeking and glorious finding to us all!
Way to stir us up and throw us on Him BJ
Thanks
Amen and amen! What a great and accurate response! Blessings, Natalie 🙂
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He is everything I am searching for , the ultimate Truth and the Reason for all Existence, Past, Present, Future, and Eternal.
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why I cannot see any atheist comment here… maybe coz this website is not famous enough or maybe here its lot of shit written.. 😛 full crap
If you want to see a few hundred comments from atheists on this site go here:
http://tworiversblog.com/2013/06/14/an-open-letter-to-those-who-doubt-or-deny-god/
The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. The Pharisees saw that the man was steeped in sin at birth but could not fathom that they too were steeped in sin at birth – they too needed a savior. Thus the saying the blind shall see and the seeing shall be blind – blind to their need for forgiveness. When these Pharisees saw Jesus dying on the cross suffering eternal hell for the salvation of those who believe, they were like blind men. When the Pharisees heard about Jesus risen from the tomb, they were like blind men, not believing in his resurrection. Jesus is perfectly sinless, God and died on the cross for my sins Jesus is risen from the dead and lives in heaven now. “I believe in God the Father Almighty maker of heaven and earth and in his son Jesus Christ who was born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died , and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of God the Father Almighty. From thence he will come to judge the quick and the dead. ” That’s who Jesus is.
good post – a good witness is 95% listening … 🙂
I enjoyed reading your message about Jesus. I love Jesus! Thanks for sharing the great word about Jesus Christ. This is what the world need more of Jesus Love.
Hi. I really like your observation 4), I also have observed that many of us humans follow the path of least resistance. While following the path of least resistance to drive home is efficient, I don’t think we should employ this principle when it comes to dealing with The Truth of Existence… I think people find it much easier to believe in “salvation”, than to focus their beliefs into what Jesus clearly commanded his disciples: Love God, and love your neighbor as yourself (Matt 22:36-40, when some dude tempted Jesus by asking him what was the most important of the 10 commandments (which btw Jesus basically summarized the 10 into 2, wise man)).
Truly, loving our human neighbors as ourselves is pretty hard… but if we think about it, we can save lots of money that we’ve been losing to wars if we listened to this and did away with the myths some writers ascribed to him (Mithraism and Christianity).
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But without, what you call, the myth of Christianity, what can we really know about who Christ is? How would you go about separating what he said from what the writers about him said he said? I’ve seen an abundance of scholars try to do this and it sure seems to me that they always end up reaching the conclusions they set out for at the outset.
well said and done! praise God!
As Prophet Jesus (Peace be upon him) said himself from the lap of his pious and noble mother, the greatest lady to ever set foot on this Earth, Virgin Mary ‘And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive.’ So the least I can do is send peace and salutations upon him every time I hear his name. Peace be upon him and upon his mother 🙂
Where is this quote found?
It can be found in the Qur’an, Surah Maryam (Chapter 19 titled ‘Chapter Mary’); Verse 33:
‘And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive.’
In this whole chapter God discusses incidents from the lives of Prophets Zacharia, Mary, Jesus, Abraham, Moses and many others (Peace be upon them all).
Really thought-provoking, thanks. It’s a question we all need to answer either now or when we meet him personally. It is really hard to listen to other views and not react out of self-righteousness, but instead to hear what the other is saying. Thanks for this, and thanks for the like on my blog too.
Jesus is my Lord and master. He’s my king and saviour and I owe him my all because He gave me His all.
Claire Marie O’Brien….of course He wasn’t white. Nor was he a Blonde Haired-Blue eyed-surfer Jesus in a Woman’s nightgown! You are correct!
@alfred marshal Perhaps Proper spelling and syntax might work for you? Oh I forget…atheists are just a bag of chemicals not responsible fo their actions….
The entire point of this post is to be able to listen, hear, and respect the ideas and views of others without ridicule or disrespect. We do not need to agree with them. I definitely would love discussion on those views but ridicule is uncalled for. beaconapologetics, all it really does is display your own immaturity. It in no way makes a point.
I apologize.
“all it really does is display your own immaturity. It in no way makes a point.” Is not “my view”? It in “no way makes a point? BJ I think you need to rethink your position. You of course cannot “hear” what I commented. So my view of vulgarity is invalid? WOW Judgment is okay on your part?
You’re right.
My problem is with unbelievers that use vulgarity to get their message across…
That’s true of people of all stripes. Oh, the language might change a little bit whether the person using is is Christian or Muslim or atheist, but the implication and intent doesn’t. We all have the need to be right and the tendency to lash out when our views or ideas seem threatened.
It would NOT be Christian!
I’m fairly orthodox as a Christian: for me, Jesus is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, joined to human nature in the hypostatic union – fully God, fully human. It is his union with human nature that saves us all; I do believe all are saved. My views on salvation might be a little less orthodox for some Christians. I’m with Irenaeus: God became human so that humans might become divine. Anything that’s created, in virtue of not being God, is lacking in “perfection” (as it’s been called in the Christian tradition; I have a bit of a philosophical problem with that term) – lacking in the fullness of being, we might say. As such, we’re subject to all kinds of frailty, which is where sin comes in. Sin is a symptom, not the core problem. God can forgive sin, no problem. But that still leaves us subject to corruption (think data in computer files, or metals that corrode). Christ has solved that problem by joining creaturely nature to the divine nature in himself. The fact that Jesus remains fully human means that humanity (and all creation with it) has been brought into the very life of the Trinity. Mind-boggling! But that is our hope and our salvation.
But, since I am a (trinitarian) universalist, I am quite pleased to see this blog post discussion on what people of other faiths (and no faith) think of Jesus. The fact is he’s been important in the lives of people who don’t believe he’s God, and I think that’s a good thing.
Sound like we are in a council of the sanhedrin.
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I’m an atheist-turned-Jesus-follower who never knows where to begin when responding to unbiblical Jesus theories. Not because because I have nothing to say, but because I have so much to say. Here’s a link to my three-part post “Why I Believe: C.S. Lewis and Me, Part One.” Blessings, Mitch http://mitchteemley.com/2014/09/02/why-i-believe-part-one/
re ‘he wasn’t white’ – does it matter what colour he was?
I started reading the Holy book of Islam to learn about Jesus life the part left out of the Christian bible. I was amazed to find the old testament, word for word. I understand their doctrine but I am a Catholic, Baptist’ Pentacostal. I get afraid at times when I feel they are forgeting the Father by placing the son above. Catholics do not do that as they fear Father God. I grew up with Jewish people and I love them, their culture also theirs is the beginning my religion. I read about all religions as I became very interested in HS. I was taught that the story of savior was in other religions just different characters. To me personally I think God the Father has many names but is the same’ whether I call him the Great Spirit and he has sent many Prophets’Saints’ and Holy People but I am a Christian. Humans wrote the books of the bible and a king decided what books would be included in the bible. A Pope decided to make Mary Magdalene a prostitute.Obviously I could go on and on especially about Jesus life that I want to know that about. Mostly enjoyed and found interesting your inquiries.
I have to be honest. I’ve met Catholic pentecostals, and I’ve met baptist pentecostals but you’ve got to be the first catholic baptist pentecostal I have come across. I would love to hear more of your story.
I also have a few questions from the end of your reply if you don’t mind. You call yourself a Christian, what does being a Christian mean to you?
Also, which king was it that determined what books would be included in the Bible and which pope is it that decided to call Mary Magdalene a prostitute? Just curious.
Thanks again for your reply.
The teenage Jesus grew up living normal lifestyle of Jewish boys appropriate to His age in Nazareth after His birth in Bethlehem. Jesus spent 3 years in Egypt to hide from the king who slaughtered infants trying to kill Jesus. Jesus’ youth and adolescent teenage years is accurately recoded in the Bible in fulfilment of the Tanakh prophecies. It includes behind the scene training in Torah, attending synagogue, bat mitzvah ceremony in homeland Galilee. He later and traveled to preach full time. There is absolutely no contradiction about Jesus before His boyhood visit in Temple or after He began his public ministry at the age of thirty. Like any information recorded by many eye witnesses, same event is presented from the reporter’s interest, passion or profession. The Gospels were recorded with medical details of events by the physician medical doctor Dr Luke. Peter’s sermons appealed to Jewish Abrahamic covenant to convey fulfilment of Tanakh prophecies. And Paul ministered to the Gentile non- Jewish people to save them. Today, video cameras record incidents from different angles and takes. Similarly, the gospels at times are identical with congruent parallel event but others have different takes. Even identical twins, raised in same environment differ in many ways. Jesus is a chosen Jew but God decided to Give Christ All Power in heaven and earth to teach believers God’s Truth. That same power Christ imparts according to all Christian believers in matthew 28:18 to teach and do greater works than Christ Jesus. People are entitled to their opinions in countries with freedom of expression to say whatever they feel or want to say. However, God records everything in His Book of Life including anyone who blasphemes The Holy Spirit in Christ or negates the Spirit of the Living God upon Christ so will not be forgiven. So how can a human creature’s man – made objects which does not see, speak, smell. walk, feel, be greater than the Living God Almighty’s Superior Powers that Created them. During the Exodus, Moses Shepherd’s Staff stick turned into God’s Snake so the magicians copied it but their snakes were swallowed by The Snake of God through Moses. In the Carmel contest, baal worshippers cried from morning till noon but failed to call fire down on altar. Elijah called on God who Answers by Fire Who Consumed Sacrifice to PROVE GOD IS REAL AND GOD ABOVE all gods. Have a Happy New Year in Jesus Name.
Jesus is every human and what his/her potential for ascension and growth is within and beyond physical existence. This is my own perception. The Creator desires its creations to have all that they envision. Thus, we become the Creators of the world we accept as real and tangible. The Jesus was a message from Eternity to free us from the prison of human existence that we created in our error to try and make sense of a world that seemed often cruel and relentless. We suffer and yet we cling to the illusion because of the experience and potential it offers, it is “something” . True salvation comes from within, for it is where God truly resides…..Love and Light always , my friend.
Jesus is many things to many people – prophet, teacher, Lord, friend, comforter, healer… what matters is that he was a catalyst for change. A new way of thinking and being. Just remember God did not write the bible and neither did Jesus, whether you believe he was God in human form or not – but… if I could rewrite the bible and encapsulate Jesus’s teachings in one word it would be ‘Love’ full stop. And if you live your life and do everything in love you will be following the teachings of every religious leader that ever made a difference and how can a God of love ever be disappointed in you?
Ultimately, it isn’t “who is Jesus to me.” Instead the correct starting place is “who is Jesus.” Application must flow out of reality.
If you were to ask people on the street their opinion concerning who Jesus was, you’ll discover the depth of their ignorance concerning what the Bible says about him. It should be obvious that it is vitally important to understand just who Jesus was, and is. Our view of Jesus and our understanding of him determines our response to him. If we don’t see clearly just who Jesus is, if we don’t have the correct understanding of sin, then we will act upon false information. Our lives will take a course based on false assumptions.
No other individual has impacted the course of history like Jesus. It is therefore important that we understand who he is and what he does. Jesus knew this and he understood that even his disciples might not clearly understand who he was. So he took them aside and led them through an important process of discovery. From this encounter has come the most important confession in history. Let us first notice the confession and what led to it. No doubt, Jesus gathered his disciples around him and when he did, he posed an important question to them.
Matthew 16:13 ~ When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
This was the question of Jesus then but this question is still meaningful for us today. You see, there is no longer a Christian consensus in America. In the early days of our history, people were raised with religious instruction. When our grandparents were young, most people were familiar with God, the Ten Commandments and the golden rule. A greater percentage of our population went to church. And even in the schools, they were taught from a Christian perspective. While they might not have believed, they at least knew the facts. This is no longer the case in America.
Today when the name of Jesus is mentioned, people’s minds are clouded with conflicting images and downright lies. It is interesting to note that Jesus just didn’t tell his disciples who he was. He took the time to live it out before them. He wanted to show them who he was. The question was; Would they see? It’s hard to tell what most of his disciples thought. In verse 14, they told Jesus what others were saying about him. Some said he was John the Baptist…others Elijah… others Jeremiah…others, one of the prophets. There was a lot of opinion then about who Jesus was. There still is. Unfortunately, most people aren’t really sure who Jesus is. Some, today think he was a good teacher or a prophet. Jesus turned the question to them…
Matthew 16:15-16 ~ “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Peter understood who Jesus was. He had watched him for almost three years, and he saw. And because he saw, he confessed. His confession revealed that he believed Jesus was both the Messiah and Deity. He had come to this conclusion because he had an encounter with Jesus Christ. That’s precisely what the world needs today.
Jesus, however you think or believe about him, resurrected from death. As far as I know, he is the only one to have been raised from the dead and not die again.
When I approach death’s door, I believe he will be there to guide me through that experience. I want to be guided by the one who has been there, done that, and lived to tell about it.
Jesus asks that question of all of us, as He did Simon Peter, “Who do you say I am?” Personally I answer that as Peter did, “You are the Christ the Son of the living God.” If you look at the account, Jesus then says that it is not flesh and blood that reveals this, but God the Father. This is the inner revelation of His identity disclosed by the Holy Spirit, the bedrock (not little rock Peter) upon which the Ekklesia commonly translated the “church” is built, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Now just to make it even more interesting, We have John the Baptist testifying, “This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me…” Jn 1:30 has to be one of the most tantalizing lines in all of Scripture – testimony of John the Baptist concerning Jesus, who not only “came after” John in natural terms of being some 6 months younger than John, but also chronologically after John’s ministry that announced the presence of the Lamb Who takes away the sin of the world. Yet He existed before John and was of a higher rank than he!
Now there’s a little “Bible woo woo” for you. Consider also John 8:58 – ‘Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
Cap that I AM. 😉
http://tworiversblog.com/2014/06/30/john-852-59-i-am/
I do what God tells me to do BJ not man, what you shared is False Teaching and as confirmed in the Scripture below we are not to welcome those who teach it or do we propagate it, except to show error and refute it as a warning to others. Yes we Love everyone but we do not agree or accept the evil they do or say.
2 John 1:9-11 Whosoever goeth onward and abideth not in the Teaching of Christ, hath not God: he that abideth in the Teaching, the same hath both the Father and the Son. If any one cometh unto you, and bringeth not this Teaching, receive him not into your house, and give him no greeting: for he that giveth him greeting partaketh in his evil works.(ASV)
Jesus is my Lord and Saviour and my Best Friend, He is my Teacher and He is part of The Godhead who are called The Trinity today, 3 in One, if you would like the Scriptures to confirm this Truth BJ please ask.
Christian Love in Christ Jesus – Anne.
For those that prefer to read scripture in English, that is:
Anyone who wanders away from this teaching has no relationship with God. But anyone who remains in the teaching of Christ has a relationship with both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to your meeting and does not teach the truth about Christ, don’t invite that person into your home or give any kind of encouragement. Anyone who encourages such people becomes a partner in their evil work. (2 John 9-11)
I am not sure how encouraging civil, open and honest discussion has anything to do with “teaching false truth about Christ” in a “meeting” (read church service). In my understanding, the comments section of a blog are not in any way related to someone speaking from a pulpit or even teaching in a small group (which might more accurately reflect church practices as spoken of here. What I am pretty sure is that dogmatic intolerance as I feel you are espousing would be strongly opposed by John who also wrote:
Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and knows God. But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
And:
Dear friends, since God loved us that much, we surely ought to love each other. No one has ever seen God. But if we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is brought to full expression in us.
And:
Dear friends, I am not writing a new commandment for you; rather it is an old one you have had from the very beginning. This old commandment—to love one another—is the same message you heard before. Yet it is also new. Jesus lived the truth of this commandment, and you also are living it. For the darkness is disappearing, and the true light is already shining. If anyone claims, “I am living in the light,” but hates a fellow believer, that person is still living in darkness. Anyone who loves a fellow believer is living in the light and does not cause others to stumble. But anyone who hates a fellow believer is still living and walking in darkness. Such a person does not know the way to go, having been blinded by the darkness.
No matter how much a person claims to love others, if they refuse to even listen to them… they are lying. Over and over again here on The River Walk I have proclaimed truth about who Jesus is. Below are a few (ten, all but one very, very recent) of many such links I could post. The one time I actually do throw open the forum to hear from others (as I’ve done at other times on other subjects) you troll your way into here calling me a False Teacher. Why not listen to everything I have been saying instead of jumping in here as an accuser of the brethren.
http://tworiversblog.com/2014/01/22/2084/
http://tworiversblog.com/2013/09/25/jesus-alone-92513/
http://tworiversblog.com/2014/11/25/john-1837-born-in-truth/
http://tworiversblog.com/2014/11/23/john-1833-35-are-you-king/
http://tworiversblog.com/2014/11/16/john-1812-14/
http://tworiversblog.com/2014/11/14/john-187-9/
http://tworiversblog.com/2014/11/13/john-184-6-two-words/
http://tworiversblog.com/2014/11/08/john-1722-23-glory-given/
http://tworiversblog.com/2014/11/06/john-1716-19-i-give/
http://tworiversblog.com/2014/10/17/john-168-11-sin-righteousness-judgment/
Wonderful post, thank you for creating it. Jesus was a spiritual master, in my opinion. The Christ spirit still serves through its magnitude. I do not know if the Christ spirit preceded Jesus and he became the conduit of it, or if Jesus was the source of it. It does not matter, the energy is very strong and serviceable in modern times.
Happy New Year, God bless, good to hear from you, hope all is well with your soul.
greg
Jesus as a concept is a worthy consideration from a humanitarian or moral perspective; perhaps, though, you might broaden your conception of God beyond the anthropomorphized being the Bible offers.
Broadened it to what? And, if I am not to accept the Bible as the authority on who God is, then where am I to find such authority. I know my own limitations and am fully aware that any understanding of God I might have independent of other sources is bound to be seriously flawed.
I must question the logic of such a statement; you either sense an ineffable Other or you don’t.
Sorry, I’m not a fan of obscure theological terms. Why not just say indescribable rather than ineffable? And what’s with capping the “other”?
If you are asking if we believe there is something beyond, something greater than ourselves then of course, obviously. We all do. Knowing who (or what) that is calls for a whole different level of understanding. I’m not content to just sit back and say “Something” is out there.
Well Beejai, I guess we must all seek our own truths. One must be careful though of literal belief in metaphorical constructs. Perhaps the ancient Hebrews had something in their avoidance of even naming their deity.
Jesus is the Son of God come to this world to save people like me.
To me Jesus is exactly who he said he was. He said, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.” If you take his words as truth this can only mean he was not only human but came from above (space) which makes him at least half-extraterrestrial (which means offside of earth)!
He also talked a lot about “my father in heaven”, which is recorded in 103 times in the New Testament! So why can’t we define Jesus this way in our new age of the 21st Century. It makes more sense to me than flowery religious terms that don’t relate to todays science and age of space exploration! Besides, everything he said can still be true. All religions of the world can still fit into this new paradigm. It’s exciting to view it this way!
How would other religions fit into this paradigm? How would Islam reconcile this? What about Christianity? Judaism?
Well, to me He is the Christ, the Son of God. My savior and Lord. My friend. Everything He said He is. In a side note, I love this particular passage. It makes me laugh when the Pharisees question the man again after speaking to his parents and he says, (v. 27) “Why do you want to hear it again? Do you want to become his disciples too?” Gotcha!
Well at least you responded to my comment this time BJ? instead of ignoring it and so showing your rudeness but of course we know who that really was don’t we. I don’t go to man for answers I Trust in Jesus our only Teacher who is leading me into all Truth.
As confirmation of what He shares, I use the King James mostly B.J? because it is closer to the original so has less of man’s errors but it does not concern me what ever Translations are used by others because God shows me Translation errors, mans own fleshy understanding and deception.
The Scripture below is in The King James and is referring as you can see to those in the world too who teach error, like the Heresy and Idolatry on the Internet that some propagate and on their Blogs too, as a man thinks in his heart so he speaks and his actions will follow.
I John 1:7-11 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Your Computer is in your house B.J? be careful what you accept as Truth.
You judge me as having no Love B.J? but only God knows our heart, you don’t even know me as a person or anything about my walk with The Lord.
In reference to God’s Love is not like fleshy man’s, it is not Saccharine sweet which leaves a bitter after taste, we remember Jesus got the whip out and both John the Baptist and Paul and others were very firm in their rebuke of those who did evil and we too have to stand up for God’s Truth and not water it down and yes I’m persecuted, rejected, ignored, slandered, hated just as Jesus said we will be
What would help you BJ? is to read the Scriptures that confirm how God dealt with the evil of the Pagans Idolatry. I also stand up against the acceptance of Homosexuality, and Abortion, yes everything that God tells us is evil, I Love the person as God does but not the evil they do and say, God warns us about being friends with the World and accepting the evil it propagates..
isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for Light, and Light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!(KJV)
Matthew 5:12-14 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in Heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. (KJV)
Matthew 5:15-17 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in Heaven. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
1 John 5:17-19 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. We know that whosoever is Born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.(KJV)
Christian Love in Christ Jesus – Anne.
BJ,
Jesus was a person who brought a message of unity to a people who were not ready for spirituality. What we see in the new testament is series of ethical, moral and philosophical essay’s yet we see no or read no spirituality. Jesus talked to the people of his time: over 90% of whom were slaves, illiterate, without families, orphans and the like, the world was in chaos 2000 years ago, please put the audience and message in context. Anyway, Jesus was a Kabbalist who gave to the people what they could handle for the purpose of developing them into the people ready for spirituality. It has taken over 2000 years to get to where we are and live in the level of society the Jews have had for many thousand years, longer than the new testament has existed. Jesus was a Jew who had the heart to lower himself to a level and be seen as a god to those who knew and still might not know any better.
Every one of your quotes is speaking of spirituality and has nothing to do with a person or this world but is using the words of this world(the only language Kabbalists have had to work with) and explaining the upper force.
To be honest Psalms was written by Kind David, why was he a King, and of what? First figure this out before trying to interpret the words of wisdom and never reduce them to this world or a person.
It would take to long to explain and how do I know the wisdom would be received in a vessel able or ready for such wisdom… ?
There is a lot to Jesus that does not seem to meet the eye, why he did what he did has never been pondered by Christianity, other than saying, God was his father and wanted it. But that does no even satisfy the smallest of questions that arise.
Have a great day!
He is to me who He says He is. He’s the Way, the Truth and the Life. He is the Word of God by whom all things were created. He is the Son of God, Savior and Lord. He is the first and the last, the beginning and the end. To quote Colossians 1:15-18: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.” I could clearly go on and on with titles. Suffice it to say, He is the embodiment of grace and truth and He came to reveal the love of the Father to a lost and dying world. He loves you…
On a separate note, if you read my other posts you’ll get more of an idea of exactly what I’m learning about Jesus.
All the best,
Vanessa
Jesus was a historical figure recorded in the Roman chronicles as the leader of a minor Jewish sect – a man of little significance. His teaching were elevated to greater significance by Emperor Constantine who used them to unify a crumbling Rome. We do not really know what he said because all the gospels were written from memory long after the apostles were dead.
As an atheist I like a number of the writings and agree with some of the morality but stop well short of the superstitious and mystical elements. St Paul was responsible for much of the mystical side. He built it up as a selling point. I do not believe there is any evidence for there being a god let alone a son of god. The idea of an afterlife is both bizarre and wishful thinking; a way of humans coping with the trauma of death. To believe that the whole universe was made by a super-being for our benefit I find frankly farcical.
Thomas Jefferson was a diest, and did not like the many things read in the bible that “Jesus said.” He did his own study, and compiled a VERY small list of quotes which were cross referenced from several gospels. This is the most interesting book to me, especially in light of the very un-Christian ways his name is beign taken in vain today. A good article: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/how-thomas-jefferson-created-his-own-bible-5659505/?no-ist
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